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	<title>Comments on: Dam Construction Threatens 30,000 Ancient Carvings</title>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-16661</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, thank you :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, thank you <img src='http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-16660</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The World Bank estimates that forcible “development-induced displacement and resettlement” now affects 10 million people per year. According to the World Bank an estimated 33 million people have been displaced by development projects such as dams, urban development and irrigation canals in India alone.

India is well ahead in this respect. A country with as many as over 3600 large dams within its belt can never be the exceptional case regarding displacement. The number of development induced displacement is higher than the conflict induced displacement in India. According to Bogumil Terminski an estimated more than 10 million people have been displaced by development each year.

Athough the exact number of development-induced displaced people (DIDPs) is difficult to know, estimates are that in the last decade 90–100 million people have been displaced by urban, irrigation and power projects alone, with the number of people displaced by urban development becoming greater than those displaced by large infrastructure projects (such as dams). DIDPs outnumber refugees, with the added problem that their plight is often more concealed.

This is what experts have termed “development-induced displacement.” According to Michael Cernea, a World Bank analyst, the causes of development-induced displacement include water supply (dams, reservoirs, irrigation); urban infrastructure; transportation (roads, highways, canals); energy (mining, power plants, oil exploration and extraction, pipelines); agricultural expansion; parks and forest reserves; and population redistribution schemes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The World Bank estimates that forcible “development-induced displacement and resettlement” now affects 10 million people per year. According to the World Bank an estimated 33 million people have been displaced by development projects such as dams, urban development and irrigation canals in India alone.</p>
<p>India is well ahead in this respect. A country with as many as over 3600 large dams within its belt can never be the exceptional case regarding displacement. The number of development induced displacement is higher than the conflict induced displacement in India. According to Bogumil Terminski an estimated more than 10 million people have been displaced by development each year.</p>
<p>Athough the exact number of development-induced displaced people (DIDPs) is difficult to know, estimates are that in the last decade 90–100 million people have been displaced by urban, irrigation and power projects alone, with the number of people displaced by urban development becoming greater than those displaced by large infrastructure projects (such as dams). DIDPs outnumber refugees, with the added problem that their plight is often more concealed.</p>
<p>This is what experts have termed “development-induced displacement.” According to Michael Cernea, a World Bank analyst, the causes of development-induced displacement include water supply (dams, reservoirs, irrigation); urban infrastructure; transportation (roads, highways, canals); energy (mining, power plants, oil exploration and extraction, pipelines); agricultural expansion; parks and forest reserves; and population redistribution schemes.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12157</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 23:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a difficult thing to consider...

The most important thing is how can the people be sustained in their environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a difficult thing to consider&#8230;</p>
<p>The most important thing is how can the people be sustained in their environment.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12156</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 23:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the example is sad...

But the most sad thing for me is the people think that &lt;i&gt;nothing can be done&lt;/i&gt;.  So many things can be done if you just try...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the example is sad&#8230;</p>
<p>But the most sad thing for me is the people think that <i>nothing can be done</i>.  So many things can be done if you just try&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: London Caller</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12154</link>
		<dc:creator>London Caller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 21:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is outrageous!
Planning should be not be approved at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is outrageous!<br />
Planning should be not be approved at all.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12153</link>
		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That example is so sad but true from my experience in working round the world.

They are so wrong that &lt;i&gt;nothing can be done&lt;/i&gt; but this is what you get by being steeped in 12 th century philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That example is so sad but true from my experience in working round the world.</p>
<p>They are so wrong that <i>nothing can be done</i> but this is what you get by being steeped in 12 th century philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12145</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the people of most countries don&#039;t recognise opportunities for advancement, they feel comfortable with what they know.  They are either to scared or not prepared to explore what else may be possible.  Some countries are more advanced (in thinking) than others.

The religious stumbling block can be seen in the comments section in the following related blog post:

May 18 @ 5pm

&lt;i&gt;Dear Enlightenment: If there is no food to eat and workm there will be chaos and disaster. Pakistan simply does not have the means nor the love or desire to save these carvings. After it is meaningless when viewed from a Muslim perspective. So take pictures study them well and build the dam. Nothing can be done.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/18/basha-dam-threatens-thousands-of-ancient-rock-carvings.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the people of most countries don&#8217;t recognise opportunities for advancement, they feel comfortable with what they know.  They are either to scared or not prepared to explore what else may be possible.  Some countries are more advanced (in thinking) than others.</p>
<p>The religious stumbling block can be seen in the comments section in the following related blog post:</p>
<p>May 18 @ 5pm</p>
<p><i>Dear Enlightenment: If there is no food to eat and workm there will be chaos and disaster. Pakistan simply does not have the means nor the love or desire to save these carvings. After it is meaningless when viewed from a Muslim perspective. So take pictures study them well and build the dam. Nothing can be done.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/18/basha-dam-threatens-thousands-of-ancient-rock-carvings.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/18/basha-dam-threatens-thousands-of-ancient-rock-carvings.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 21:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any other country I would say the people would see it as a way of advancement - a reason to try new things, as in China and the three gorges dam.  

In Pakistan there are the problems of tribalism and religion to contend with - the very things that are keeping those in the countryside poor and oppressed.  You only have to see the aftermath of the earthquake of a few years ago to see how the people return to the old place and continue scratching out a living the old way instead of trying something new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any other country I would say the people would see it as a way of advancement &#8211; a reason to try new things, as in China and the three gorges dam.  </p>
<p>In Pakistan there are the problems of tribalism and religion to contend with &#8211; the very things that are keeping those in the countryside poor and oppressed.  You only have to see the aftermath of the earthquake of a few years ago to see how the people return to the old place and continue scratching out a living the old way instead of trying something new.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2011/05/20/pakistan-gilgit-baltistan-july-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-12128</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 23:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew &amp; Ivan,

Yes I agree the artefacts should be preserved and moved to a suitable place. There is talk of preserving them in a museum for future generations.

But what about the 25,000 people who will be displaced...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew &#038; Ivan,</p>
<p>Yes I agree the artefacts should be preserved and moved to a suitable place. There is talk of preserving them in a museum for future generations.</p>
<p>But what about the 25,000 people who will be displaced&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
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		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 23:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the dam it it felt that the dam is necessary to provide for the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the dam it it felt that the dam is necessary to provide for the region.</p>
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