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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26066</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I think this comments thread has reached it&#039;s sell by date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I think this comments thread has reached it&#8217;s sell by date.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26065</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think, having worried about what you said, and read your remark with due attention, that you were referring to other remarks on another blog. If you were offended by my silliness about ‘the bench’ (which is all I can think of) I am sorry, but it was a joke and an acknowledgement of your terminology, imagery, whatever you want to call it, and simply an extension of that. Not at all, intended as a put down.&lt;/I&gt;

I was referring that lengthy debate when I accidentally posted a quote that wasn&#039;t quite correct. And such big deal was made about it after I said I hadn&#039;t done it on purpose.  If I misinterpreted what you meant, I am sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think, having worried about what you said, and read your remark with due attention, that you were referring to other remarks on another blog. If you were offended by my silliness about ‘the bench’ (which is all I can think of) I am sorry, but it was a joke and an acknowledgement of your terminology, imagery, whatever you want to call it, and simply an extension of that. Not at all, intended as a put down.</i></p>
<p>I was referring that lengthy debate when I accidentally posted a quote that wasn&#8217;t quite correct. And such big deal was made about it after I said I hadn&#8217;t done it on purpose.  If I misinterpreted what you meant, I am sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26052</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 07:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry Cherie, my vow to stop commenting stands, but just for this thread, allow me the liberty. I wrote what I did earlier as a response to JD. And it was a genuine response which cannot appear in the appropriate place.

This particular thread is going old, and maybe far enough back not to impinge on your more natural readership. I think, having worried about what you said, and read your remark with due attention, that you were referring to other remarks on another blog. If you were offended by my silliness about &#039;the bench&#039; (which is all I can think of) I am sorry, but it was a joke and an acknowledgement of your terminology, imagery, whatever you want to call it, and simply an extension of that. Not at all, intended as a put down.

I genuinely like to see your photographs and see that you enjoy a glass of wine on your patio. Sometimes, I miss England a lot. You are not a tool, although I did own up to putting stuff out there, in the past, because I knew someone would read it.

If you think a blog is a home then that is fine, but I do beg to differ.  And obviously we are not going to change our views.

Chrysalis, I don&#039;t think that I am manipulative, and if everything is always about me, how come you know nothing? I know nothing about you either. Or Cherie, really.
I did look at your blog and I saw you sing something in honour of your grandmother, and it was beautiful. And I have no ulterior motive for saying that.

Good to see that Moggsy looks in, and I hope she/he knows that I never said anything bad about her/him. Or any other reasonable person.

Good luck to you all. I do mean that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry Cherie, my vow to stop commenting stands, but just for this thread, allow me the liberty. I wrote what I did earlier as a response to JD. And it was a genuine response which cannot appear in the appropriate place.</p>
<p>This particular thread is going old, and maybe far enough back not to impinge on your more natural readership. I think, having worried about what you said, and read your remark with due attention, that you were referring to other remarks on another blog. If you were offended by my silliness about &#8216;the bench&#8217; (which is all I can think of) I am sorry, but it was a joke and an acknowledgement of your terminology, imagery, whatever you want to call it, and simply an extension of that. Not at all, intended as a put down.</p>
<p>I genuinely like to see your photographs and see that you enjoy a glass of wine on your patio. Sometimes, I miss England a lot. You are not a tool, although I did own up to putting stuff out there, in the past, because I knew someone would read it.</p>
<p>If you think a blog is a home then that is fine, but I do beg to differ.  And obviously we are not going to change our views.</p>
<p>Chrysalis, I don&#8217;t think that I am manipulative, and if everything is always about me, how come you know nothing? I know nothing about you either. Or Cherie, really.<br />
I did look at your blog and I saw you sing something in honour of your grandmother, and it was beautiful. And I have no ulterior motive for saying that.</p>
<p>Good to see that Moggsy looks in, and I hope she/he knows that I never said anything bad about her/him. Or any other reasonable person.</p>
<p>Good luck to you all. I do mean that!</p>
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		<title>By: Moggsy</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26048</link>
		<dc:creator>Moggsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherry, I am kind of assuming the &quot;Public information message films&quot; would be included in UK State Probaganda. I wonder if they include stats on health and campaigns for the milk marketing board and decimalisation, immunisation and anti smoking, drinking and obesity &quot;public health&quot; campaigns?

There is also the issue of fake charity pressure groups, the lobbying they do to promote and push government agendas &quot;under the radar&quot; and bodies like the GMC and such in the orchestration of propaganda and scene setting for the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherry, I am kind of assuming the &#8220;Public information message films&#8221; would be included in UK State Probaganda. I wonder if they include stats on health and campaigns for the milk marketing board and decimalisation, immunisation and anti smoking, drinking and obesity &#8220;public health&#8221; campaigns?</p>
<p>There is also the issue of fake charity pressure groups, the lobbying they do to promote and push government agendas &#8220;under the radar&#8221; and bodies like the GMC and such in the orchestration of propaganda and scene setting for the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherie, Sorry if I was rude to you because it was absolutely unintentional and reading back I still can&#039;t see what you mean. I absolutely will not comment here again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherie, Sorry if I was rude to you because it was absolutely unintentional and reading back I still can&#8217;t see what you mean. I absolutely will not comment here again.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26044</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you are using my blog as a tool to achieve something?

You don&#039;t criticise a blog you criticise a single person on that blog and the comments of that person.  You bring those issues and comments to my blog on random posts where they have no relevance.

Most of my readers don&#039;t follow that blog, so I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by airing those grievances and issues here.

I offered to help you with that email problem and you chose not to accept my offer of help and continued to comment publicly on the issue when I asked  you not to.

As Claude said on another blog.  A blog is a home.  I treat my blog as a home, all views are welcome. That is why I am quite lenient on my comments policy.  But some people forget that they are visiting...

You said a blog is a forum.  In a forum comments are deleted at whim when the forum moderator decides they don&#039;t like them or they contravene commenting rules.

In that thread you were actually quite rude about me but I chose to let it pass.

So do you prefer a home or a forum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are using my blog as a tool to achieve something?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t criticise a blog you criticise a single person on that blog and the comments of that person.  You bring those issues and comments to my blog on random posts where they have no relevance.</p>
<p>Most of my readers don&#8217;t follow that blog, so I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by airing those grievances and issues here.</p>
<p>I offered to help you with that email problem and you chose not to accept my offer of help and continued to comment publicly on the issue when I asked  you not to.</p>
<p>As Claude said on another blog.  A blog is a home.  I treat my blog as a home, all views are welcome. That is why I am quite lenient on my comments policy.  But some people forget that they are visiting&#8230;</p>
<p>You said a blog is a forum.  In a forum comments are deleted at whim when the forum moderator decides they don&#8217;t like them or they contravene commenting rules.</p>
<p>In that thread you were actually quite rude about me but I chose to let it pass.</p>
<p>So do you prefer a home or a forum?</p>
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		<title>By: Chrysalis</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26045</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrysalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and I talked about what happened today - on my own post - on my own blog:)

Perhaps you should read my post again - because it was Detroit who became &quot;incensed&quot;.  I tried to stave him off from saying what he really wanted to say, by making the same point with humor first (but Detroit felt I wasn&#039;t harsh enough and dug in).  We can talk more about that from YOUR blog if you like?

But Suzie, I&#039;m becoming less and less inclined to do so, and I&#039;ll tell you why - I am now going to be as forthright with you, just as you have been with us, okay?

I do think your words were twisted on that other blog, and yes, I know what that feels like (believe me, more than you think) and it&#039;s aggravating and unfair, and I am truly sorry that happened to you.

However, it&#039;s happened to all of us.

So I also need to say I think you&#039;re being manipulative, rude and a little selfish, always turning the focus back to how just YOU have been &quot;done wrong&quot;, and pointing out what&#039;s wrong with everybody else&#039;s behavior, risking and revealing nothing about yourself in the process - and letting poor Cherie take the fall for it all? 

Then that doesn&#039;t make you that much different from the way you describe the main person you take issue with?

I say you are &quot;being&quot; these things, because I hope it&#039;s temporary - I can&#039;t say if you&#039;re always that way, I don&#039;t know you.  

I understand a momentary slip, when these things happen, as I admitted I&#039;ve done myself, but I admitted it and apologized  - and this behavior is starting to appear chronic with you. 

I hope I&#039;m wrong? 

If you&#039;re the better person, prove it -  take the pressure off Cherie, who is being pulled apart in the middle - my bet is on you being able to do that before he will ;)

We heard you, Suzie, I promise you.  C&#039;mon, honey, let it go now. 

What&#039;s it gonna be -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and I talked about what happened today &#8211; on my own post &#8211; on my own blog:)</p>
<p>Perhaps you should read my post again &#8211; because it was Detroit who became &#8220;incensed&#8221;.  I tried to stave him off from saying what he really wanted to say, by making the same point with humor first (but Detroit felt I wasn&#8217;t harsh enough and dug in).  We can talk more about that from YOUR blog if you like?</p>
<p>But Suzie, I&#8217;m becoming less and less inclined to do so, and I&#8217;ll tell you why &#8211; I am now going to be as forthright with you, just as you have been with us, okay?</p>
<p>I do think your words were twisted on that other blog, and yes, I know what that feels like (believe me, more than you think) and it&#8217;s aggravating and unfair, and I am truly sorry that happened to you.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s happened to all of us.</p>
<p>So I also need to say I think you&#8217;re being manipulative, rude and a little selfish, always turning the focus back to how just YOU have been &#8220;done wrong&#8221;, and pointing out what&#8217;s wrong with everybody else&#8217;s behavior, risking and revealing nothing about yourself in the process &#8211; and letting poor Cherie take the fall for it all? </p>
<p>Then that doesn&#8217;t make you that much different from the way you describe the main person you take issue with?</p>
<p>I say you are &#8220;being&#8221; these things, because I hope it&#8217;s temporary &#8211; I can&#8217;t say if you&#8217;re always that way, I don&#8217;t know you.  </p>
<p>I understand a momentary slip, when these things happen, as I admitted I&#8217;ve done myself, but I admitted it and apologized  &#8211; and this behavior is starting to appear chronic with you. </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m wrong? </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re the better person, prove it &#8211;  take the pressure off Cherie, who is being pulled apart in the middle &#8211; my bet is on you being able to do that before he will <img src='http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We heard you, Suzie, I promise you.  C&#8217;mon, honey, let it go now. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s it gonna be -</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/index.php/2013/07/15/presenting-one-side-of-the-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-26041</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cherie, emailing you with my grievances is a completely different option, in a different medium. What would that achieve? 

Having already received a very dodgy email a few weeks ago I am extremely reluctant to go that route which seems a bit sneaky to me, anyway.

Chrysalis, it was you who got incensed by the latest comments about Harriet Harmon, and you got slapped down.  Quite disrespectfully as usual but that can be your problem.  Congratulations on your customer service awards.  I&#039;ve never been awarded one of those but then, I have never had any customers.

Cherie, criticising a blog does not constitute derogatory comment on the person but on their opinion but you have made your position crystal clear, so I will try not to say anything more.

Your point about having my own blog is valid. I have thought about it before and I have more time these days so I might do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cherie, emailing you with my grievances is a completely different option, in a different medium. What would that achieve? </p>
<p>Having already received a very dodgy email a few weeks ago I am extremely reluctant to go that route which seems a bit sneaky to me, anyway.</p>
<p>Chrysalis, it was you who got incensed by the latest comments about Harriet Harmon, and you got slapped down.  Quite disrespectfully as usual but that can be your problem.  Congratulations on your customer service awards.  I&#8217;ve never been awarded one of those but then, I have never had any customers.</p>
<p>Cherie, criticising a blog does not constitute derogatory comment on the person but on their opinion but you have made your position crystal clear, so I will try not to say anything more.</p>
<p>Your point about having my own blog is valid. I have thought about it before and I have more time these days so I might do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrysalis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrysalis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s frustrating to feel you don&#039;t have a voice or misinterpreted, I agree - but you&#039;ve already made your point, hon.

Regardless, Cherie should not have to pay the price for what other people do on their blogs, it&#039;s not her fault.  

Both Cherie and myself have offered our emails to you before, but if it&#039;s not possible to talk in email, what do you think of Cherie&#039;s suggestion of a blog of your own to voice these concerns would help?

The offer remains open, my email is available through Cherie.  Otherwise, I&#039;d really like to comply with Cherie&#039;s wishes now.  I do understand, but it&#039;s time to move on, okay?  Take care :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s frustrating to feel you don&#8217;t have a voice or misinterpreted, I agree &#8211; but you&#8217;ve already made your point, hon.</p>
<p>Regardless, Cherie should not have to pay the price for what other people do on their blogs, it&#8217;s not her fault.  </p>
<p>Both Cherie and myself have offered our emails to you before, but if it&#8217;s not possible to talk in email, what do you think of Cherie&#8217;s suggestion of a blog of your own to voice these concerns would help?</p>
<p>The offer remains open, my email is available through Cherie.  Otherwise, I&#8217;d really like to comply with Cherie&#8217;s wishes now.  I do understand, but it&#8217;s time to move on, okay?  Take care <img src='http://www.cheriesplace.me.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
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		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOW CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE POST!!!

or not, if there is nothing more to be said on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOW CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC OF THE POST!!!</p>
<p>or not, if there is nothing more to be said on that.</p>
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